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Old 01-23-2018, 02:25 AM   #35
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I couldn't believe the difference APR stage 1 was made as well, it's incredible. Added the TCU tune a few weeks back and that made a huge difference as well. Added a drop in filter and she makes a great sound now, disabled the soundactor with my obdeleven yesterday plus a few tweaks. Really really happy with the car now, might have to go for drive today, super warm here in Ohio, finally above freezing for once

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Old 01-23-2018, 03:14 AM   #36
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Old 01-24-2018, 04:29 AM   #37
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You can dig up Arin's quote...oh, hell here it is:

"Stock will begin to show signs of slip when the ECU/TCU thinks it's producing around 380 ft-lbs."

And for good measure a disclaimer tidbit from him:

"The stock DSG transmission will stop increasing clamping force once above a torque level it would never see with the stock software. Because of this, in some situations, it will begin to slip, and cause increase wear.*"

http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19107
Who's Arin?

So, according to him, the stock DSG will begin to slip with an otherwise stock GTI w/APR stage 1 tune, since (according to APR's dyno chart) it makes 381TQ...

Will the APR TCU tune protect the DSG clutches better than if left to the stock VW TCU tune?
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Old 01-24-2018, 04:33 AM   #38
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I made the switch from apr stage 1 to 2 today. Pretty decent bump and a smoother power curve. I can’t wait for an intercooler and is38 tho...it’s never enough ha
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Old 01-24-2018, 05:00 AM   #39
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Everyone forgets how underrated this engine is, the gains are not as big as claimed.
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Old 01-24-2018, 05:05 AM   #40
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Who's Arin?

So, according to him, the stock DSG will begin to slip with an otherwise stock GTI w/APR stage 1 tune, since (according to APR's dyno chart) it makes 381TQ...

Will the APR TCU tune protect the DSG clutches better than if left to the stock VW TCU tune?
Arin sees the upside of things and trances you to open your billfold, as part of his job description at APR.

The other parts of your question I'm not qualified to answer. But protect yo investment!

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I made the switch from apr stage 1 to 2 today. Pretty decent bump and a smoother power curve. I canít wait for an intercooler and is38 tho...itís never enough ha
Sweeeeet! Which downpipe?
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Old 01-24-2018, 01:13 PM   #41
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Everyone forgets how underrated this engine is, the gains are not as big as claimed.
They're pretty damn big.

My car gained 40.3% (Dyno proven in identical atmospheric conditions) going from stock to Uni S2 with an eBay DP and a few worthless intake mods.

APR is running more boost and should be gaining slightly more.
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Old 01-24-2018, 05:25 PM   #42
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After driving the car with Stage 1 and a drop in air filter for 2 weeks, I can attest to the power gains. I've had to change my driving style to adjust to the extra torque. Wheels spun a lot the first few days until I learned I needed less throttle for daily driving. It is VERY noticeably quicker once you get above about 2300 RPM's.

Of course I'm a little nervous about my DSG tranny... I'm expecting to have to pay to get it redone withing 30K miles. But, hey.... that's what happens anytime you mod a car to give it SO MUCH MORE power. A person has to know that, right? Think about it.... If you take a 600HP corvette and mod it to get 900HP, it's gonna break at some point, much sooner that it would with no mods.
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Old 01-24-2018, 06:39 PM   #43
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Everyone forgets how underrated this engine is, the gains are not as big as claimed.
Did you mean more than claimed? If not, are you kidding me? These cars have the biggest jump in power off a simple ecu tune than any 4 cyl. Out there. The jump, ratio wise, is up there with gtrs and Ferraris...
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Old 01-25-2018, 08:34 PM   #44
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I get wheelspin in 1st and sometimes 2nd stock, so with the HP increase are you really going any faster from 0-60 since we're limited by traction? I get that it's not all about 0-60 but the vast majority of my driving is off highway and below 60mph.
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Old 01-25-2018, 08:44 PM   #45
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Sweeeeet! Which downpipe?
CTS Iíve had for a while now, I was just waiting on a clutch. I just finished breaking in my DKM twin disk so it was finally time
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Old 01-25-2018, 09:08 PM   #46
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Add a downpipe and drive civil from time to time. IHI IS20s, and some IS38s are weak. Get good Gas or add E85. APR tuned cars have eaten motors under certain circumstances.
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Old 01-25-2018, 11:01 PM   #47
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I agree it's a big difference..but I'd never do it. It's just not worth the risk of blowing something up. I don't care if it's covered under APR warranty, I'd never feel comfortable wondering when it's going to blow.
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Old 01-25-2018, 11:06 PM   #48
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I agree it's a big difference..but I'd never do it. It's just not worth the risk of blowing something up. I don't care if it's covered under APR warranty, I'd never feel comfortable wondering when it's going to blow.
I think a JB4 would better suit you.
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Old 01-25-2018, 11:14 PM   #49
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I agree it's a big difference..but I'd never do it. It's just not worth the risk of blowing something up. I don't care if it's covered under APR warranty, I'd never feel comfortable wondering when it's going to blow.
It can happen, but you're making way too much of it. With a stage 1 tune your car has maybe a .01% more chance of blowing up that it does right now. Unless you hoon it like an idiot all the time.

The fear is unfounded. It's like people who won't fly because they might crash. They don't realize more people die in a day in car accidents than flying, except they see one news report about a plane crash and then irrationally equate that with not flying.
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Old 01-25-2018, 11:18 PM   #50
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It can happen, but you're making way too much of it. With a stage 1 tune your car has maybe a .01% more chance of blowing up that it does right now. Unless you hoon it like an idiot all the time.

The fear is unfounded. It's like people who won't fly because they might crash. They don't realize more people die in a day in car accidents than flying, except they see one news report about a plane crash and then irrationally equate that with not flying.
This.
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Old 01-25-2018, 11:23 PM   #51
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The reason I fear a flash tune is if something goes wrong regardless of the tune and I void my warranty. I would not be at all worried the tune would cause it, but just an issue in general. Say a leaky rear main seal, or a water pump gasket or any of a handful of things that are occasionally be reported and fixed under warranty.

If I had an APR dealer in my City, I'd already have the Plus tune.
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