I see, lol. It's still nice to see real world outcome in those conditions - If you guys ever do a rematch in ideal conditions, I'd love to see the difference in the outcome, and whether or you'll be closing the gap. Rolls are a lot easier to initiate with strangers. I agree, last winter when I was in a loaner, at a light - the GTR just went for it (speed limit 40). Sounded and looked absolutely sick.