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Old 03-20-2017, 01:22 AM   #35
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When I say splash guard I'm talking about the plastic piece that attaches to the bottom of the bumper basically. That's why I was confused. Thanks


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Old 03-20-2017, 02:08 AM   #36
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Thanks for this discussion. On the pad side, is there anything out there that's hybrid street autox and quiet? Or is that a unicorn?
Tried pfc z on a bmw and was impressed with feel and stopping tho mine made a smidge of noise at complete stop when cold.

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There's plenty marketed as 'hybrid' stuff and you'd guess it - very most is
somewhat compromised. Still, dual purpose street and autocross isn't that
of an impossible task (as street + track would). Unfortunately 'silence' is a
relative property. While some brake pads on some cars with some drivers
are silent very most of the time, the same pads on another car and driver
are not.
PFC Z-rated is excellent for street. I did recommend them from time to time,
though I wouldn't recommend them for tracking. If you liked the feel I'd give
them a try again. If you fit them properly (cleaning calipers carefully and use
some ceramic paste where appropriate) there's some good chance to prevent
very most if not any noise.
Endless MX72 is probably one of the few available that cover some track use
while being still silent on the street. They're little harder to obtain and more
expensive though. 'Some track use' because this is no true racing stuff.

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Old 03-20-2017, 02:48 AM   #38
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I gotta say I have been pretty happy with the Porterfield S4-S pads so far... They don't have the initial bite that the OEM pads do when cold, but when warm/hot they bite great and never faded at the track last weekend. This isn't to say they don't stop when they're cold, they do, they just don't have that bite when cold, that's all.

Supposed to be low noise and low dust also, and seem they've been living up to that so far. Will have to write a review or something after I've had some more time and track days with them. AutoX'd with them this weekend as well, they seemed fine.
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The RS4 is a great street performance pad, been using them for years on many cars, but they're iffy as a track pad by al accounts. With a GTI - low weight, big brakes and not too much top end, you could be okay, but if you smoke them, they're done. As in ruined. Seems like a great auto-x pad though.

Not trying to worry you, just be careful. On the right track and with a little forethought, a guy could make them work as a track/street compromise.
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The RS4 is a great street performance pad, been using them for years on many cars, but they're iffy as a track pad by al accounts. With a GTI - low weight, big brakes and not too much top end, you could be okay, but if you smoke them, they're done. As in ruined. Seems like a great auto-x pad though.

Not trying to worry you, just be careful. On the right track and with a little forethought, a guy could make them work as a track/street compromise.
R4-S! Haha, that's what I was trying to say. They're at least better than the stock PP pad! Do you have experience with the R4 track version at all? Wondering if I can swap them out, or if the R4 will eat my rotors.
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I got a couple questions....
Are the r4s available for standard gti / 1.8t calipers?

Are brass guide pin bushings a thing on the mk7?

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I got a couple questions....
Are the r4s available for standard gti / 1.8t calipers?

Are brass guide pin bushings a thing on the mk7?

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Not sure what you're talking about when you say brass guide bushings, but then again I don't really know anything. Hopefully someone can answer you.
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R4-S! Haha, that's what I was trying to say. They're at least better than the stock PP pad! Do you have experience with the R4 track version at all? Wondering if I can swap them out, or if the R4 will eat my rotors.
None at all. Tracking a street car can be as involved as you want it to be, but it takes some involvement no matter how serious/casual you are. On this car, I'd think you could get a track only pad that wouldn't be a problem with rotor wear. Or you could just get autozone blanks and replace as needed - a lot of guys do that I think.

Not having huge power and weight is a big bonus for this car if you want to track it seems to me. From talk on various forums for different cars, if I was tracking my car and wanted to run one pad, I'd try the Ferodo 2500. Maybe a little noise on the street, but probably okay under stress at the track. But most everyone that tracks seriously uses track pads.

Anyhow, I don't track (but I did used to race) so grain of salt is appropriate.

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http://porterfield-brakes.com/produc...roductID=28908

Not sure what you're talking about when you say brass guide bushings, but then again I don't really know anything. Hopefully someone can answer you.
hey thanks for the link, Ill check it out.

brass caliper guide pin bushings are made for bmw and there are threads out there for earlier gen gti golf. Instead of rubber, brass bushings have little tolerance and improve brake pedal feel. Downside is they require maintenance with high temp grease. Had them on my prev e90 bmw, cost about $50 per axle, nice brake mod.

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From talk on various forums for different cars, if I was tracking my car and wanted to run one pad, I'd try the Ferodo 2500. Maybe a little noise on the street, but probably okay under stress at the track. But most everyone that tracks seriously uses track pads.

Anyhow, I don't track (but I did used to race) so grain of salt is appropriate.

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I really appreciate the input! Any idea what the dust levels are like on the Ferodo 2500's? They sound like what I'm looking for. Of course asking for a pad that can perform on track and retain street manners is difficult, but I think that would be ideal for me.
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Dude, what do you really want? Does dust or performance matter for you?
You cannot eat the cake and have it, honestly.
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Dude, what do you really want? Does dust or performance matter for you?
You cannot eat the cake and have it, honestly.


No shit! Hence the last sentence of my last post. I want it all!! I am just asking the dust levels, I would guess they are probably medium for that pad...


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Going from the Porterfields to the Ferodos would be a horizontal move pretty much. I meant if I was starting with stock pads.

If you're looking for advice, I'd say, if you're tracking to broaden and refine your driving skill-set (and why else would you be?) just run the R4-S until they fade bad enough to scare you. Then figure out what you want to do.

I'd also always have a full spare set of pads in the hatch, and whatever tools you need.

If you're not getting any fade from a street pad, you're not going fast enough. You will soon enough if you track regularly. Tracking is by definition, abuse, because you're operating the car beyond what the designers intended. Anything you can do to help with that is a good thing.
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I think that's sound advice, thanks. As far as the Porterfield's to Ferodos, it sounds like the Ferodos are more track oriented than the Porterfield R4-S according to their descriptions. Porterfield themselves doesn't recommend the R4-S for track use, yet the Ferodos advertise as being a street pad that you can use from light to medium track duty, which makes it appealing. Honestly I've only done my first track day though, I need to just go back out and see what I need and if I'll want to get dedicated track pads. I don't know if I'll be serious enough to warrant dedicated track pads, or if something like the Ferodo's would be perfect for me. All speculation, I just need to get back out there I think.


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You've got a lot to learn and it will be tons of fun, but you will help yourself by taking it seriously and understanding the subtleties - smooth is fast and all that. It's kind of like golf, but louder.

Brake early, concentrate on your transition from braking to turning. Divide the track in your mind into sections - this will train you to consider the rhythm that a sequence of turns creates and reward you when you get some set of turns right. It's very fulfilling.

Something to consider - at any road racing level there's always a few guys that are always at the front. No matter the level, what those guys have in common is corner entry speed. So they brake less. Except they're going faster when they do.
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