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Old 10-16-2017, 11:53 PM   #1293
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So, any word on when the 2018 models will be available?
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Old 10-16-2017, 11:54 PM   #1294
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So, any word on when the 2018 models will be available?


I've called every dealer around me. One expects info by the end of the month, another said info in December. So, basically, no one seems to have any definitive information. Very frustrating!


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Old Yesterday, 12:28 AM   #1295
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The official "Post your deal!!!" thread

Right now my goal is either a White or Blue DSG Sport, or wait until the 2018s come out (mainly to see if I can order it in orange like the R or e-golf in Canada).

Iíve been keeping track of the number of White and Blue DSG Sports within a 500 mile radius of me (Stamford, CT), and theyíre selling slower than I thought (61 available on 10/1 compared to 51 available on 10/16). Iíve gotten a dealer near me down to $26.8k OTD ($23.8k plus $2.3k tax, $500 doc fee, and $200 destination fee), and a dealer in MD down to $25.6k OTD about a month ago (Including $1k VW incentives and $500 partner program, I donít qualify for military or grad). If I can get it for $25k OTD near me ill pull the trigger. If not, Iíll be waiting for those 18s and the extended warranty!
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Old Yesterday, 01:36 AM   #1296
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I've called every dealer around me. One expects info by the end of the month, another said info in December. So, basically, no one seems to have any definitive information. Very frustrating!


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Yeah, same here...no clear answer.
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Old Yesterday, 01:55 AM   #1297
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Iíve gotten a dealer near me down to $26.8k OTD ($23.8k plus $2.3k tax, $500 doc fee, and $200 destination fee)

Whats with $200 destination fee, shouldn it be $820 .

Dealer might have included that in $23800 (as its a part of window sticker) and charge another $200 to their pocket.
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Old Yesterday, 03:57 AM   #1298
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Whats with $200 destination fee, shouldn it be $820 .

Dealer might have included that in $23800 (as its a part of window sticker) and charge another $200 to their pocket.
Yup. It's actually $24,500+TTL. Not that great for a Sport DSG anymore.
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Old Yesterday, 02:05 PM   #1299
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Yup. It's actually $24,500+TTL. Not that great for a Sport DSG anymore.
The $500 doc fee + $200 destination fee must be how the dealer is making money on the deal. $700 isn't too bad for an hours worth of work. A US-wide standard $820 destination charge should already be calculated in the MSRP price. VW corp has to be eating the rest in order to make way for the 2018's.

Do folks in Alaska and/or Hawaii pay more for their destination charges? Just curious, often times they are singled out for extra punishment due to the logistics involved in transport.
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Old Yesterday, 03:23 PM   #1300
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The $500 doc fee + $200 destination fee must be how the dealer is making money on the deal. $700 isn't too bad for an hours worth of work.
Dealer is making profit with the selling price on any vehicle. Documentation fee is another means to milk money from customer and thats the reason many states have limits over that number.
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A US-wide standard $820 destination charge should already be calculated in the MSRP price.
Thats true. But in reality, many dealers add that in addition to the listed price on their webpage. Thats true for all dealers in DC area who offer one of the best deals in the country.
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Yup. I'll revert to my earlier posts. 2 buckets; 1 dealer 1 gov't. You only care about the dealer bucket because neither you nor they have power over the other bucket and reducing dealer bucket automatically reduces gov't bucket. Anything that isn't a gov't fee is the dealer bucket and is negotiable.

There is no difference between a $25k car that is $20k car and $5k dealer fee and a car that is $25k and $0 dealer fee. It's $25k out of your pocket either way.
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Old Yesterday, 04:28 PM   #1302
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Dealer is making profit with the selling price on any vehicle. Documentation fee is another means to milk money from customer and thats the reason many states have limits over that number.
Overall - http://www.realcartips.com/newcars/4...by-state.shtml
Michigan - http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7...9610--,00.html



Thats true. But in reality, many dealers add that in addition to the listed price on their webpage. Thats true for all dealers in DC area who offer one of the best deals in the country.
Your link, not mine:
http://www.realcartips.com/cardealers/#do

"What's surprising to many is that car dealers don't actually make much profit on the sale of a new car. In fact, many dealerships lose money on new car sales after factoring in fixed expenses such as rent, advertising, and labor costs.

The bulk of a dealer's profit is made in areas such as used car sales, service, and other "back end" products such as warranties and maintenance plans."
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Old Yesterday, 04:34 PM   #1303
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Your link, not mine:

http://www.realcartips.com/cardealers/#do



"What's surprising to many is that car dealers don't actually make much profit on the sale of a new car. In fact, many dealerships lose money on new car sales after factoring in fixed expenses such as rent, advertising, and labor costs.



The bulk of a dealer's profit is made in areas such as used car sales, service, and other "back end" products such as warranties and maintenance plans."

Yes, dealer margins for new car sales have gone down and there is no question on that. My post was in reply to the documentation fee in your previous post. Its just another way to charge the customer, not for their hours of jobs which they are suppose to do.
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anyone have any tips for negotiating a great deal?
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Old Yesterday, 05:44 PM   #1305
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anyone have any tips for negotiating a great deal?
This thread should help you out: http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34025.
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Old Yesterday, 06:02 PM   #1306
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'17 Gti 4 door S manual

MSRP - $26,735
Vehicle Price - $20,056
Taxes - 8.75%
Tag and Reg - 0
Dealer / Doc Fee - $499
Out the door price - $23,3xx

Got screwed on the apr … 3.99% (was told it would be extra $2.5k for VW 0% financing …. might have to call VW on that one ...)

My 3 cents: watch out for VA dealers $16,5k GTIs …
1) there’s $700 doc fee + $850 freight fee you have to add to the price (so it’s $18k …)
2) there’s like 3 rebates you’ve got to qualify … military, loyalty, etc
3) so NJ Union VW list price of $18,5 was $500 more expensive, but … they also hide 2 rebates there: loyalty & college grad
(they also hiked the price by $1k _a night before_ i went there … but honored listed price, i've reached out to them a week before)

do your research on cars .com by removing the millage & _read_ the fine print

ps: always reach out to 2-3 dealers & ask for all the fees they charge
ps2: car net $199/yr not worth it ... so you can "open your door" remotely??

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Right now my goal is either a White or Blue DSG Sport, or wait until the 2018s come out (mainly to see if I can order it in orange like the R or e-golf in Canada).

I’ve been keeping track of the number of White and Blue DSG Sports within a 500 mile radius of me (Stamford, CT), and they’re selling slower than I thought (61 available on 10/1 compared to 51 available on 10/16). I’ve gotten a dealer near me down to $26.8k OTD ($23.8k plus $2.3k tax, $500 doc fee, and $200 destination fee), and a dealer in MD down to $25.6k OTD about a month ago (Including $1k VW incentives and $500 partner program, I don’t qualify for military or grad). If I can get it for $25k OTD near me ill pull the trigger. If not, I’ll be waiting for those 18s and the extended warranty!
You're not gonna see 25K OTD in connecticut. You wouldn't see that in june of next year on a leftover 2017.

Edit: maybe i'm exaggerating but 25K OTD aint happening unless you're really patient
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Old Yesterday, 08:47 PM   #1308
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MSRP - $26,735
Vehicle Price - $20,056
Taxes - 8.75%
Tag and Reg - 0
Dealer / Doc Fee - $499
Out the door price - $23,3xx

Got screwed on the apr Ö 3.99% (was told it would be extra $2.5k for VW 0% financing Ö. might have to call VW on that one ...)
Calling VW isn't gonna do shit, you signed a contract. I'll bet you can refi though. They generally don't have clauses on refi periods
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MSRP - $26,735
Vehicle Price - $20,056
Taxes - 8.75%
Tag and Reg - 0
Dealer / Doc Fee - $499
Out the door price - $23,3xx

Got screwed on the apr Ö 3.99% (was told it would be extra $2.5k for VW 0% financing Ö. might have to call VW on that one ...)

My 3 cents: watch out for VA dealers $16,5k GTIs Ö
1) thereís $700 doc fee + $850 freight fee you have to add to the price (so itís $18k Ö)
2) thereís like 3 rebates youíve got to qualify Ö military, loyalty, etc
3) so NJ Union VW list price of $18,5 was $500 more expensive, but Ö they also hide 2 rebates there: loyalty & college grad
(they also hiked the price by $1k _a night before_ i went there Ö but honored listed price, i've reached out to them a week before)

do your research on cars .com by removing the millage & _read_ the fine print

ps: always reach out to 2-3 dealers & ask for all the fees they charge
ps2: car net $199/yr not worth it ... so you can "open your door" remotely??
You got $6k off MSRP because you got a shitty APR. That's how they make some of that money via kickback from the lender. Refi to your own bank at 2.X% ASAP. Every payment you make on that 3.99% is money wasted in interest. Nothing shady here. Very normal practice. You will never get 6gs off and 0%.
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