2016+ Clubsport Modifications - Part Numbers

Clubsport part numbers

Sway Bars
5Q0411303N front anti roll bar (sway bar) 24mmx 3.8mm (same as GTI PP)
5Q0511305AT Rear anti roll bar (sway bar) 21.7 x 3mm (same as GTI PP)


FRONT SPRINGS 5Q0411105GD (GTi PP 5Q0411105CC)
FRONT SHOCK 5Q0413031FN (same as GTI PP)
STRUT MOUNT 5Q0412331D (same as GTI PP)
BUMPSTOP 1K0412303F (same as GTI PP)


REAR SPRING 5Q0511115HL (GTi PP 5Q0511115HM)
REAR SHOCK 5Q0513029GL (same as GTI PP)


So as you can see (unfortunately) virtually no change between the Gti and Clubsport, TBH i am a little disappointed as i was expecting from the press releases about the cars that VW had reworked the suspension and uprated it with perhaps dampers and swar bar changes, Have the journos with the all inclusive VW paid trips to Portimao circuit just been describing 10% stiffer springs??

Some info about the suspension and down force on the car from an article with Karsten Schebsdat, the last part about different wind tunnels is very telling. Do we believe anything VW says?

Is there less understeer in this car?
"Compared to the base GTI? Definitely. We have changed the roll stiffness distribution so we have more neutrality. We have softened the front bump stops and increased the spring rate on the rear to give the car more mechanical grip on the front end so we have less understeer."

How important is the multi-link rear axle compared with the twist beams used by most rivals?
"I think it's a big advantage, especially when you compare the range you can implement into the car. With respect to lateral dynamics with a twist beam you have only two bushes that connect the axle to the body and you have a lot of functions to implement into those bushes. Right now with multi-link you have separation of the lateral control to the longitudinal control so the spread is much, much bigger and the stability level is a little bit higher generally. We have reached a very high level with the twist beam on our other cars but we would not do the multi-link if it was not better! There is more lateral stiffness and you can reduce the slip angle on the tyres - in the comfort mode it's even better because you are softer in a longitudinal direction."


How fast do you have to be going for the downforce to make a difference?
"I think when you drive the Clubsport versus the normal one you will feel the difference above 70mph. The quicker you are the more difference you feel!"

Can you tell us how much downforce there is?
"I know those figures but to be honest we have made lots of comparison tests in different wind tunnels and the wind tunnel at Wolfsburg works differently from other ones, so you get different figures."

Proprietary Clubsport S brake rotors and pads seem to be available right now:




Manufactured by SHW (same as 370 mm TT-RS and RS3 rotors).

GTI Clubsport with Clubsport S 2-piece rotors:



(not my own pics - looks quite similar, but wrong wheels)


again PNs:

brake pads front: 5Q0 698 151 G - 226 € set
brake rotors front: 5Q0 615 301 C - 211 € each
brake pads rear: 5G0 698 451 - 226 € set


I'll probably order this stuff next spring. I don't think there's any benefit
while driving on the winter tires I'll have to fit quite soon.

breaking badly said:

Proprietary Clubsport S brake rotors and pads seem to be available right now:

Manufactured by SHW (same as 370 mm TT-RS and RS3 rotors).

GTI Clubsport with Clubsport S 2-piece rotors:

(not my own pics - looks quite similar, but wrong wheels)


again PNs:

brake pads front: 5Q0 698 151 G - 226 € set
brake rotors front: 5Q0 615 301 C - 211 € each
brake pads rear: 5G0 698 451 - 226 € set


I'll probably order this stuff next spring. I don't think there's any benefit
while driving on the winter tires I'll have to fit quite soon.

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Any info on weight difference compared to PP disc.

breaking badly said:

Proprietary Clubsport S brake rotors and pads seem to be available right now:


Manufactured by SHW (same as 370 mm TT-RS and RS3 rotors).

GTI Clubsport with Clubsport S


again PNs:

brake pads front: 5Q0 698 151 G - 226 € set
brake rotors front: 5Q0 615 301 C - 211 € each
brake pads rear: 5G0 698 451 - 226 € set


I'll probably order this stuff next spring. I don't think there's any benefit
while driving on the winter tires I'll have to fit quite soon.

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Clubsport S uses the standard rotors for rear?

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EB2429 said:

Clubsport part numbers

Sway Bars
5Q0411303N front anti roll bar (sway bar) 24mmx 3.8mm (same as GTI PP)
5Q0511305AT Rear anti roll bar (sway bar) 21.7 x 3mm (same as GTI PP)



How important is the multi-link rear axle compared with the twist beams used by most rivals?
"I think it's a big advantage, especially when you compare the range you can implement into the car. With respect to lateral dynamics with a twist beam you have only two bushes that connect the axle to the body and you have a lot of functions to implement into those bushes. Right now with multi-link you have separation of the lateral control to the longitudinal control so the spread is much, much bigger and the stability level is a little bit higher generally. We have reached a very high level with the twist beam on our other cars but we would not do the multi-link if it was not better! There is more lateral stiffness and you can reduce the slip angle on the tyres - in the comfort mode it's even better because you are softer in a longitudinal direction."
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Just checked my GT 1.4TSi estate (wagon)

Front ARB 5Q0 411 303 N (24x3.8mm)...........
Rear ARB 5Q0 511 305 Aq (18.5 x 2.5mm)

The thickest front Arb is fitted to the GTD estate & GTE hatch:- 5Q0 411 303 AB (25x4mm)

Rear Arbs vary from 18.5x2.5mm to 21.7x3.6mm

PS agree with the multilink rear, one reason I speced mine as a GT for the rear axle........plain twist beam versions (have driven over the same roads) feel skittish around the corners......

As long as the Multilink is kept in good condition (all the bushes) it should out perform like you mention.

I saw the 21.7x3.6mm bar in the list for Golf cars, but not sure which model its fitted to, I wonder how much stiffer 0.6mm is on a rear ARB?

TecklenburgVW said:

Clubsport S uses the standard rotors for rear?

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Possibly does

Clubsport uses standard rotors same as GTi PP (see Breaking Badly car pic)

Clubsport S (breaking badly discs comments and pic ) uses different rotors and has different Hubs I believe at the front, and this looks like it may alter the position of the disc if fitted to a GTi or PP hub. Looking at the pic below, the disc doesn't look like it has enough offset to sit in the same location in relation to the caliper carrier, therefore the caliper wouldn't fit over the discs and allow the pads to locate.. imo but hope i'm wrong

Pics below are the Clubsport S

css4 by Emmber, on Flickr

css3 by Emmber, on Flickr

Right, rear rotors on the Clubsport S are standard Clubsport and GTI Performance.
Remember there is not that much heat on the rears on a FWD car with no rear seats.
310 mm vented is more than sufficient and already bigger than on most hot hatches.
Compare to Honda CTR, Megane RS Trophy or Peugeot 308 GTi, these all come with
smaller rears.

Just to add this:

breaking badly said:

You can very most probably fit CSS swivels without any issues,
as long as you use TT wheel bearings with them. I don't think
these swivels are TT parts though since they use a 5Q number
instead of 8S numbers.
Unfortunaty CSS control arms are still pressed sheet steel. The
only difference to the standard Golf control arms are their solid
rubber bushings. The same applies to the CSS rear control arms.
On a quick look they look the same as standard.
To my current knowledge, steering rack is the same as on any
GTI/GTD/R (progressive steering). Bear in mind different swivels
could alter steering ratio if the length of the 'steering arm" is
somewhat different. This has been the case on the former PQ35
platform, where S3 swivels made a slightly shorter steering ratio
compared to Golf. Well, currently we only know about the added
camber.

I did that for you and all those interested:

I think springs and and roll bars shouldn't be as interesing since
most prefer aftermarket parts anyway. On the regular Clubsport
(non-S) these components even more are depending on gearbox,
door count and equipment. It's little too complex to list them all.

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LeGti said:

Thank you, TecklenburgVW, for the part numbers!!

I did ask the parts guy to order one front ClubsportS wheel bearing and hub as soon as it's available: I have a set of old ones from my 2015 Mk7 PP Gti to compare dimensions. If they match, then the two piece front rotor should fit right in with PP/R/S3 calipers...

Cool thing is, the parts guy is just as excited as I am and so is keeping an eye out for availability

Another fun thing to look into will be the additional lateral water radiator (though Forge are releasing an enlarged radiator to replace the main oem one).

Prices on the seats are confirmed to be very high, over 3K Euro :-( I'd trade my Gti in for a Clubsport, but it throws me in a higher C02/Tax bracket where I'd pay over 2K euro per annum: no way!!!

'neways, will post whatever I find, and keep looking here in the meantime to see what you guys find out

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Hi Ben,

Any update on the availability of the parts?

Regards,

Ryan

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breaking badly said:

Proprietary Clubsport S brake rotors and pads seem to be available right now:

Manufactured by SHW (same as 370 mm TT-RS and RS3 rotors).

GTI Clubsport with Clubsport S 2-piece rotors:

again PNs:

brake pads front: 5Q0 698 151 G - 226 € set
brake rotors front: 5Q0 615 301 C - 211 € each
brake pads rear: 5G0 698 451 - 226 € set

I'll probably order this stuff next spring. I don't think there's any benefit
while driving on the winter tires I'll have to fit quite soon.

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Those rotors look very interesting. Keep us in the loop on source & availability if possible.

breaking badly said:

Proprietary Clubsport S brake rotors and pads seem to be available right now:

Manufactured by SHW (same as 370 mm TT-RS and RS3 rotors).

GTI Clubsport with Clubsport S 2-piece rotors:

(not my own pics - looks quite similar, but wrong wheels)


again PNs:

brake pads front: 5Q0 698 151 G - 226 € set
brake rotors front: 5Q0 615 301 C - 211 € each
brake pads rear: 5G0 698 451 - 226 € set


I'll probably order this stuff next spring. I don't think there's any benefit
while driving on the winter tires I'll have to fit quite soon.

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So, this Clubsport has the two-piece rotors fitted. As far as we know the Clubsport has the same brake setup as the GTI PP and R and only the Clubsport S has different hubs, swivels etc.? So the two-piece rotors are plug 'n play in the above models. Right?

I'm waiting for the Clubsport S springs and downpipe to be available in the USA

Well, they most probably will never be officially available in the US, but there
is surely some chance independent vendors like ECS and DAP will carry them.
On a side note: Is the Clubsport S downpipe any different or better? I would
prefer aftermarket, as I don't think VW spent a metallic cat since Audi didn't
use one on S3 and TTS too - both with the same 310 PS engine.

Geomets said:

So, this Clubsport has the two-piece rotors fitted. As far as we know the Clubsport has the same brake setup as the GTI PP and R and only the Clubsport S has different hubs, swivels etc.? So the two-piece rotors are plug 'n play in the above models. Right?

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Yes. At first I had some doubts about the CSS rotor fitment, since the CCS
has different hubs and wheel bearings as well, but obviously the rotors alone
do fit on that Clubsport example, and they will do on any GTI Performance,
R and S3 (+ Leon Cupra without the Performance Pack), since these all come
with the same setup on front (340 x 30 mm).

breaking badly said:

Well, they most probably will never be officially available in the US, but there
is surely some chance independent vendors like ECS and DAP will carry them.
On a side note: Is the Clubsport S downpipe any different or better? I would
prefer aftermarket, as I don't think VW spent a metallic cat since Audi didn't
use one on S3 and TTS too - both with the same 310 PS engine.



Yes. At first I had some doubts about the CSS rotor fitment, since the CCS
has different hubs and wheel bearings as well, but obviously the rotors alone
do fit on that Clubsport example, and they will do on any GTI Performance,
R and S3 (+ Leon Cupra without the Performance Pack), since these all come
with the same setup on front (340 x 30 mm).

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I think the Leon has either the 312mm discs or the four-pot Brembo? Do they come with the 340mm discs? I didn't know that my friend.
Anyway, I asked the dealership the other day about the part No. of the rotors. They had them listed in their system as "green-line" version(???). They do not know their dimension nor fitment in my car. If they fit, I'm having a great reduction in price, as I'll be changing only the front axle's rotors and pads all around instead of changing all four rotors with Tarox one-piece items. Pads will be the Endless MX72 if the budget permits when spring time arrives

Seat Leon MQB has the same single piston 57mm & 60mm brake set ups as the MK7 Golf.

However it also has the optional Cupra performance pack (as per the Nurburgring car) which uses 370mm two piece discs with 4 pot Brembos & the required 19" alloys.

It takes these items from the Audi TT-RS!

These will fit a MK7 Golf as the bolt spacing for the brakes on the Cast Iron & cast alloy hub carriers is the same.

The Seat Leon with CPP uses the same 85mm bearing alloy hub carriers as the GTI/GTD/R (5Q0 407 253A & 254A)

Personally I would NOT use these as for that disc size you should be using 6 pot or 8 pot calipers...not 4 pots!!

Unfortunately the 4 pot Brembos have the spacing bracket built into them so they are fixed at 370mm disc usage!!

However Vagbremtechnic buy the Brembos they are based on & make a special adaptor bracket to use them with the standard 340mm Golf discs....MUCH better!!!