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Old 10-16-2017, 07:32 PM   #137
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Likewise many people here are fine to pay the premium for AWEs products.
I know... I never said you shouldn't if you want to... lol
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Old 10-17-2017, 12:45 AM   #138
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If you don't mind CEL = go with the cheapest DP
If you don't want CEL = AWE or whoever guarantees no cel.

can we lock this thread please? Same argument from the same guys again and again and again.
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Old 10-17-2017, 03:13 AM   #139
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If you don't mind CEL = go with the cheapest DP
If you don't want CEL = AWE or whoever guarantees no cel.

can we lock this thread, please? Same argument from the same guys again and again and again.
Who cares if the DP guarantees no CEL or not? It's a moot point. If you don't want CEL just get a tune... Which people should be doing anyway after installing a downpipe.
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Old 10-17-2017, 11:40 AM   #140
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Who cares if the DP guarantees no CEL or not? It's a moot point. If you don't want CEL just get a tune... Which people should be doing anyway after installing a downpipe.

Not everyone wants a tune with a DP.
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Old 10-17-2017, 01:38 PM   #141
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Who cares if the DP guarantees no CEL or not? It's a moot point. If you don't want CEL just get a tune... Which people should be doing anyway after installing a downpipe.
You will see a long list of threads regarding "which spacer to use?" or CEL free DP?
Also, you don't care about the CEL, so get any cheap DP that you like.
and if you read much,
some states require no cel to pass the inspection, and stage 2 tunes (most of them) cannot pass the inspection.
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Old 10-17-2017, 04:55 PM   #142
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You will see a long list of threads regarding "which spacer to use?" or CEL free DP?
Also, you don't care about the CEL, so get any cheap DP that you like.
and if you read much,
some states require no cel to pass the inspection, and stage 2 tunes (most of them) cannot pass the inspection.
My ED tune eliminated CEL. If your state won't pass inspection on a car with Stg 2 tune probably shouldn't be modifying the car. My car ran 14.1-14.2 in the quarter mile stock. With a DP and no tune I ran 13.9sec. I guess if people want to spend $1200 for marginal performance and possibly making their cars unable to pass inspection that's their right to do so.
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My ED tune eliminated CEL. If your state won't pass inspection on a car with Stg 2 tune probably shouldn't be modifying the car. My car ran 14.1-14.2 in the quarter mile stock. With a DP and no tune I ran 13.9sec. I guess if people want to spend $1200 for marginal performance and possibly making their cars unable to pass inspection that's their right to do so.
Yea, anyone in a CARB State (that adhere to California's regulations) is going to have a hard time, even with some stage 1 tunes.

While most do a non-invasive OBD2 check, all stage 2 tunes, and many stage 1 tunes (like my Uni) turn off two or three of the emissions self-checks built into the ECU. Usually they turn off the second O2 sensor, not sure about the others.

To pass CARB you have to have the second O2 check, but you can fail any other 2 of 7 (IIRC).

A stage 2 car removes that O2 sensor, so your only option is to swap the stock downpipe back on.

It might actually be the first O2 sensor, but I can't remember off the top of my head.

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