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Thanks I'll check them out
Thanks for the advice, much appreciate that. I am on 4 Michelin PS4 now. I have to admit that the tires limit are way beyond my driving limit.In short, golf R/PP brakes: great. Good tires: even better
I remember a friend asking and they said they'll make any kit on specialEndless MX72 dont have pads for the 312mm brakes. The reason I have brought this up is that I can get a used Audi S3 front brakes for a reasonable price. And I dont track my car but I like spirited driving.
I remember a friend asking and they said they'll make any kit on special
order without extra fee.
However, if the price is resonable get the S3 brakes and paint them red.
On a side note, if you have the ROW/Euro spec 300 mm rears I'd leave
them alone, since that's pretty much suffcient.
Dude, do you love bringing coals to Newcastle?
Did you know the GTI Performance is getting better reviews regarding brake
feel and modulation even compared to some competitors with fixed calipers?
Did the OP say he's planning on tracking his car? For that reason:
Don't you think you're a bit overplaying with your recommendation?
just my 2 cents
You're entitled to an opinion and I'm entitled to mine. My thought is why would anyone want to upgrade if they aren't tracking the car? The stock brakes are fine for street driving.
Remember, if you can lock up your brakes, thats the most braking you'll ever get. Stock brakes can do that.
Several reviews claiming the PP brakes feel better and measure better is a matter of factYou're entitled to an opinion and I'm entitled to mine.
Excuse me, but this is up to the OP, not to us. He did even say why.My thought is why would anyone want to upgrade if they aren't tracking the car? The stock brakes are fine for street driving.
I agree with that and I don't doubt his brakes will easily lock the tires. That said,Remember, if you can lock up your brakes, thats the most braking you'll ever get. Stock brakes can do that.
eh people can say what they want. I'm guessing a lot of them have never really pushed their brakes enough to really test them. I've been tracking for years and been in all kinds of different cars with various brake setups. There's a reason you don't see floating single pistons on racecars.Several reviews claiming the PP brakes feel better and measure better is a matter of fact
and not just my opinion. Read some reviews for example on the Peugeot 308 GTi equipped
with Alcon 6-pots or comparisions between the Golf R Wagon compared to the Leon Cupra
ST equipped with Brembos. Granted, I too would not have expected the fixed calipers to
perform that poorly by comparison. But in general it's not the principle alone, but what you
make of it.
Excuse me, but this is up to the OP, not to us. He did even say why.
I agree with that and I don't doubt his brakes will easily lock the tires. That said,
using proper pads can help to improve overall feel. Basically PP brakes do the same,
as well as offering far better pad choice.
You're getting me wrong, Jay. I did not question the raison d'être of BBKs per se.
I'm an automotive engineer and I'm tracking for years, but that's not the point.
The point is Leo's question, whether retrofitting S3/R/PP/CS brakes would improve
things. And I guess very most people think they'd do.
Don't you think it's a bit odd to say either leave it entirely stock or get a full BBK,
as there's something between for a fraction of the cost of a proper quality BBK.
Floating calipers contribute to a mushy pedal, as well as tapered wear on the pads. The feedback you get is much better from a fixed caliper
So is the prevailing thought for spirited street driving on stock brakes (non-PP) still: tires & upgraded pads. & if one really wants an upgrade do the PP/R/S3 brake setup?
What if you throw in a Stage 1.5 ECU tune - are the above recommendation still applicable.
Also - are the PP/R/S3 brake setups just the fronts calipers & rotors or does the rears also included in this scenario?